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How do you define retirement?

“Retirement isn’t the right word anymore”, is the phrase used by an article that I was reading recently. It was describing how people used to see retirement as, You hit 65, quit work, and sit around and get a pension, living out your golden years, or even more generally, you stop working and life slows down.

Anyone that is reading this blog has probably come across Mr. Money Moustache, and other blogs and heard them referencing the “retirement police”. These are the trolls or just misguided folks who seem to prefer the, “If you are working, then you’re not really retired” type of definition of retired. I say ballyhoo to all that, and I prefer to describe our upcoming change in life as a pre-tirement, stay at home parent type of thing. Real specific huh? I will likely work at some point, but chances are it will because I want to, not because I have to – so bring it on retirement police!!!

The biggest difference I see in those that define retirement as “You don’t work” is that they see work as a financial obligation and not a choice. Simply put, I will see it as a choice I can make and decide whether to participate or not. If it gets to be no fun, I can quit and not stress about bills, getting another job, and how this short stint may affect my resume, or even next job application. I have no doubt that I will work once I quit my corporate job and transition to stay at home dad. I’ll bet even more on the fact Mrs. SSC will also work in some capacity. We’re hoping to move to a place with a small college, so that either one or both of us may be able to teach. Also, we will be in a place with outdoor activities, which means there should be some outdoor stores, possibly even flyshops and I wouldn’t mind spending a few hours a week getting to talk shop about good trails, nice hikes, good fishing spots, what’s biting, what flies are working, etc… Yeah, they’ll come with mundane times of inventory, restocking, setting up displays, yada yada yada, but I’m too social to start sitting around in my recliner watching golf and holing up at the house for weeks on end. 1) I can’t stand watching golf, even for background napping noise; 2) I need a better recliner; and 3) why the hell wouldn’t I spend more time outdoors now that I don’t have a job chaining me to a desk?!?!

Actually just this weekend, I was double checking with Mrs. SSC that our current dream retirement town has a ski resort/big hill with lifts that take me up, so that I can snowboard down. I don’t need anything huge like Vail, or Breckenridge, I prefer the smaller places like Loveland Pass (usually empty and a LOT of fun runs). The point is we were talking about being able to get the kids to school and hit the slopes for a bit when there’s fresh snow on a Monday, or maybe Wednesday, or whenever there’s fresh snow. So working at an outdoor outfitters  and being able to relay that info to tourists looking for nice runs on the slopes, sounds like a fun time for me. If you couldn’t tell from my posts, I can be quite a Chatty Cathy if you catch me on a topic I like. Topics that I’m not knowledgeable about, or don’t find very interesting though, can be a lot harder to discuss. For me, financial management is one of those. I can discuss it very thoroughly, but what I can’t do is explain “good financial management”. Actually, I can regurgitate what everyone else says you should do with your money, but I would have a hard time showing how to apply it in your life. I’m not financially minded, and except for the means to an end aspect of it, I could do well with not ever reading any more finance articles in my life. It just doesn’t do anything for me, so I can assure you, in my retirement, I will NOT be doing any financial advising, seminars, or anything related to that. Come to think of it, it does sound like an easy way to make some coin, “Come to my seminar and find out how you too can retire before 45!! For only $200, I will reveal my “secrets” to early retirement and you too can tell your job to shove it! (individual results may vary: especially if you don’t marry well, invest well, or marry someone that does both, oh and nice incomes to fund the retirement nest egg are also strategic and advised).  Sounds like every other seminar I see ads for on tv, but rest assured, you won’t see Mr. SSC on your television shilling for your hard earned dollar.

Fishing shouldn't only be done on vacations!
Fishing shouldn’t only be done on vacations!

So back to the point of this post, what do you see as “retirement” and why is it that we have retirement defined in our head as “no work, receiving pension, take up gardening/golf/fishing/knitting? My Grandad was scared to death of retirement. In his family, people quit working and then died. I mean literally died within a few months or less of “retiring”. He finally retired at 72, and fortunately made it another eight years, but he could have retired way earlier as he was at FI way before most people. He fit more of the traditional model, doing more gardening, volunteering, and staying active, but not anything that earned money, just satisfaction.

For me, I’m scared to death of 80. Except for the senile and decrepit few in my family that made it to their 90’s, most people in my family die by 80, if not well before. No wonder I need to retire early, I’ve got a clock ticking down people! Actually, we all do but I just don’t want to be one of those people that I see emails about in my office. At my last job and this one, I have gotten emails about so-and-so was diagnosed with “blah” and is terminal and going to spend his last days with family. Then a few weeks later, you hear so-and-so passed away and will be missed, and I read, hit delete and get back to work thinking, “Lord, I have got to retire soon and get out of this office.”  A good friend of mine back in LA worked his whole career, finally got to retirement, had all of these plans made, and got a virus and died 2 weeks into his retirement. 2 weeks, and 1.5 of those weeks he was sick. What a pisser. Retired or not, I still see myself working to some degree, whether it’s at a job with a paycheck, making wooden stuff at home and selling it on Etsy or some other e-commerce platform, or maybe just playing bluegrass and getting the occasional gig. Who knows? But, I know that I’ll have some internet police giving me the business when I mention “work” and retirement in the same post. Until then, I’m still working and counting down the days until I can define my schedule, job, and what retirement will be like for me.

How do you see your retirement taking shape? Will it be more of a traditional model, or more of a FI approach where you can choose where and how you want to work if you choose to work at all?

The ‘lightbulb’ emails

Since Mrs. SSC and I have been together she has been in charge of the finances, investing, etc… It just works great for us, and if you read any of my posts, you’ll realize why it works well financially. The interest in this “lightbulb going off” moment has built to a head, so we thought a quick post might make this easier. Here’s my version of how we got to the email chain and spreadsheet listed below. It all began back in Fall of 2009; we had been at our jobs for a year, and open enrollment was upon us at our company and that brought up conversation around HSA elections, and other investment money types of questions. Since everyone knew Mrs. SSC was the human calculator and investment maven for our household, they asked her advice on how best to diversify their 401k portfolio’s, and other investment strategies. She passed around her investment spreadsheet which was an excel spreadsheet that made my eyes glaze over anytime I’d look at it. But, what it did have was years and dates and when we should hit our number for retirement. I knew it was around age 45, and the numbers played out, but her assumptions for cash available to live on seemed scary low, and I wasn’t going to quit a good job with a nice paycheck to eat Ramen and live in a trailer (not that there’s anything wrong with that, if it works for you).  So, except for getting emails from our friends amazed that we were going to retire at 45, I’d roll my eyes and think, “Sure, sure, 45, uh huh…”

Last summer, I started paying attention. There was plenty of back and forth, and when Mrs. SSC was talking about “We only really need ~$60k/yr to be comfortable” I had to put the brakes on this crazy train, and I began to argue debate her assumptions on how much we would really need to live off of.

And this is where the story picks up with the email exchange below….

 

To: Mr. SSC
From: Mrs. SSC
Sent: August 13, 2014 9:05AM

Oh – I’ve accounted for tax, don’t worry – I added in 10% of federal tax, and 7% State tax (for Idaho – they are high!), and then also property tax.  So that is all in the formula. It’s just I wonder if there are ways to avoid paying taxes…

Yeah – I like a 15% cushion.  Some years we may need it, some years not. In my new & improved spreadsheet (still working on, it’s complicated) I’m adding in cash – setting it at 2 years cash (maybe we can have 1 year cash, 1 year CDs, and then our normal emergency fund in cash).    Plus, if we need to tighten up, that 2 years of normal cash would last us at least 3, maybe 4 years in a bad economy – without us getting jobs, and without us taking money out the investments.

So – in the budget I’ve made a few adjustments. Note that cable TV isn’t included, I’m assuming in 5 years you will have found a way to get football streaming. Note also how I’ve added in $500/month on misc. stuff – like house misc. (broom, furniture polish, picture frame, new garden hose, etc), shopping (I guess pharmacy type stuff or just random shit), and kids’ stuff (clothes, school stuff, sports, etc.).  So that is almost $6k/yr. of mostly optional crap built in Plus, I am rounding up to 65k with my calculations anyways.

 

To: Mrs. SSC
From: Mr. SSC
Sent: August 13, 2014 10:14AM

What I’m worried about is saying, “yeah see we can retire even earlier, we just have to tighten the belt even more. Let’s quit now, we can do it, we’d just have to tighten the belt even more, and move it up to our neck, and tie it to something high….” I’m just saying I don’t want to move our budget so far down that we retire, things go south and we’re struggling week  to week. And worried about money. Especially If we live somewhere that we can’t pick up oil jobs, I’m a bit more skeptical of the 2019 date.

Just something to think about to let you know where I’m coming from. Xoxoxo

 

To: Mr. SSC
From: Mrs. SSC
Sent: August 13, 2014 10:41AM

I know.  But don’t worry – we will have a nice big buffer in there by the time it all comes around. All I’m saying is 2019 is possible. Do you see anything missing from the ‘budget’ or what makes you think 65k wouldn’t be enough? (this is just a conversation , not an attack).  The way I see it 65k has a ton of money built into it – 10k of ‘fudge factor’, 2k in rounding –up, maybe 2k in tax deductions, and if things get rough – up to 12k in deferred ‘allowances’. That is $26k of leeway even before cutting-coupons and turning town the AC/heat and duct-taping shoes to make them last…  😉

Here is a comparison… showing all our expenses currently.  The credit card goes down ~$500 because no maid, cheaper cell phone plan, online TV instead of cable, less car expenses (commute/tolls gone).    This is what I mean by we aren’t going to need to change our lifestyle much.  The July 2014 credit card amounts shown are the average of what we’ve spent the last 6 months – and there were some pricey months…   I mean daycare, mortgage and college savings are over $4k themselves that we won’t be paying when we retire early.

THE spreadsheet

Trust me – I’m not trying to fudge numbers to get out of here earlier… I am just trying to understand the actual costs and balance them with being conservative, our comfort level with ‘risk’, and how much time an extra year in the office vs in the mountains hanging out with the kids is worth 😉  I hate cutting coupons!!!! Lol   And honestly – there is no way I am not going to have some part time job.  I might not get it until the kids go to middle school, but I will have one just to stay busy.  Plus, there are ways we can start tapping the 401k early.

 

To: Mrs. SSC
From: Mr. SSC
Sent: August 13, 2014 12:12 PM

Ok, so you’re saying that right now we have ~$8k going out each month, BUT that includes stuff that won’t be there in 5 years or less. So essentially we drop out ~$4.5k each month. SO, make sure I’m doing this right… with those bills dropped out we are at ~$3700/mo in bills. Then you add a 15% buffer to that to get to $51k/yr for our “pseudo-minimum” needs. Then you add in taxes to work back to where that would put us “pre-tax” which is ~$63k. Then you’re rounding up to $65k as another small buffer. Hence the target of $65k/yr. Huh…

What you’re saying in the right column is that if things get really bad, we cut out allowances, and other things to get to $35k BARE minimum need, but those would be some really sucky times. But, targeting 65k/yr, we would only need about half that to cover the “non-bankruptcy option”. That’s assuming neither of us is working, just living off our saved income. So if we got any jobs that would be on top of this, and if they covered any health care, that would be less overall number.

So then, essentially, this doesn’t even factor in 401k’s because that’s “future money” not included here, this is just the “getting to 401k” type budget, not factoring in any sort of part time work, or other income? Holy shit! Seriously, if this is the budget from now until then, and we both plan on working part time or side gigs, why in the hell are we still working?! Oh right, we need to hit our number first…

I can’t believe that’s all we’d need though. I mean it’s all right there, but yeah, I’m just amazed that the number is what it is, with all those buffers built in and not counting any side income or jobs. I just thought it’d have to be higher… Seriously, I figured it’d be higher…

 

I think at this point Mrs. SSC read this and smacked her palm to her forehead while rolling her eyes. On the plus side, she was probably happy I finally got it and was on board.

It seems like this is common amongst FIRE couples, with someone pushing the issue and the other person is in my position until they have their own “lightbulb” moment.

Do these types of conversations seem familiar with your better half? Please let me know we aren’t the only ones out there that went through this…

 

Bad Decisions 5: Cashing out my 401k!

Capture401kHave you ever done something ridiculous like cashing out a 401k? I did. Yep, one of the biggest money mistakes you can make and I did it, against countless advice to NOT do it. Let’s go back to how this all got started.

The year is 2005: I had been out of college for about 3 years, had a nice steady job, and had finally gotten accepted into grad school. It was a great school with a top-notch reputation, and I would practically be guaranteed an almost 6-figure salary when I graduated. However, I was having trouble maintaining a good work/school balance. I was still working my full time construction-type job, which had pretty variable hours throughout the work week. Scheduling my job and school was a nightmare, so after a year of dealing with a harried schedule I decided school was way more important and had to be my focus. I had been going to school part-time, but since that wasn’t working out well, I bit the bullet and quit my job and signed onto school full-time.  This left me with a decision to make regarding my 401k.

After looking into IRA rollovers, as well as my present bank account, I decided, “Hell, I’ll just cash it out. I can easily make up the difference when I start working again in a few years, no harm no foul. That money can help me more now.”  I had applied for some student loan help already (see Bad decisions: It’s raining student loans!), but I was accustomed to living off of ~$45k a year and dropping to $20k a year as a student really hurt. I mean, I wasn’t able to keep my spending in check at $45k, so how would I do that with half the money? Realistically, I know realize that I could have made $90k and still not kept my spending in check…but that’s another story. So, I informed my company that I was going to cash it out and got some pushback. “What?!?! Don’t be stupid, just roll it over into an IRA.” “Why would you want to cash it out, you’ll get hit with taxes and penalties, you won’t even be able to keep half of it!” But I just thought, “Ha-ha! Little did they know I’d already come up with how much I’d be able to keep, and yes, with the taxes and penalties, I would not be able to keep every cent of it. BUT, here’s the kicker! I’d be able to still keep more than I put in after I cashed it out and paid it all off.” Yep, I thought I was being pretty, pretty, pretty smart. I had already calculated that the value I would get paid out, penalties and all was greater than the amount I had originally paid into my 401k… so I’d still be ahead. I was a pretty smart guy.

Even my financial person did their best to talk me out of it at the 11th hr. They even had paperwork for an IRA ready to go in case I had a moment of clarity.  Did I still take the cash out? You betcha! I even had some members of my family on my side supporting my decision, because, “Hey, you need that money now. You’ll get more money once you get out of school and get a nice job.” And who am I to argue with someone that’s agreeing with me? So I cashed it out.

So, what did I do with it you ask? Surely something great and fun, and memorable because I gave up so much potential growth on that 401k, right? No, not really. As I’ve been thinking about writing this post, I realized I can’t even remember where it all went. Six years of saving for nothing!

Well, that’s not entirely true… My car’s transmission went out and instead of forking over $2k to fix it, I thought “you know what, I’m not a car guy, I need an SUV. They look cooler! Besides,I go to the mountains and snowboard and hike and fish and do outdoors stuff, of course I need an SUV.” So, I started car shopping, used of course, and something I could cover with cash, or at least just a minimum loan. I’d only had a couple of credit crads and one car loan previously, so a small car loan couldn’t hurt, right? I went out and test drove a few SUVs and haggled and got a decent deal on a 4WD Ford Explorer Sport. I loved that SUV.  I’d paid most in cash, and drove off with it, while they were working up the loan details for the remaining portion. A few days later they called and said, “Well, because of your credit score not being stellar, and the fact that you don’t have a job, the banks aren’t wanting to loan you any money right now. You’re going to have to bring the SUV back or come up with the remaining portion.”  Gah!!! In hindsight, I should’ve taken it back and found something I could get with the cash I put towards this deal, but no…. That’s not how young Mr. SSC thinks. Instead, I checked my bank, and what do you know, my student loans had come in, so I withdrew the remainder of the money needed and ta-da! I had my new vehicle. The rest of the 401k money went toward credit card debt, and into my meager savings account. The SUV was about the only fun thing I did with the 401k money. Man, did that Explorer turn out to be nothing but a money pit, constantly needing repairs. After only having the car for maybe 3.5 years, I traded it in for a new car – thus saying goodbye to the end of my 401k.

What I didn’t understand or calculate at the time, was the lost growth potential that my 401k could have been earning for me during those 2 years. Realistically, I wouldn’t have touched it until I was 60, if it had actually survived, so I didn’t calculate all of those earnings I would miss out on. By cashing it in, I was only counting the $8-9k I could get in the short term, which yes was more than I put into it at the beginning, so I didn’t short myself there. I was also counting on the fact that with my post grad-school job I would be able to replace that money in a year or two, so I reasoned that my 401k wouldn’t miss out on more than a couple of years growth. HOWEVER, I didn’t take into account the fact that it could keep growing and growing, from about the $12-15k it was when I cashed it out to about $45k. I wasn’t “gaining” an extra $1-2k from what I put into it, I was stealing ~$30k from my future self. Ultimately, me being “smart” cost me way more than I thought. What a moron I was. I look back on it now and shake my head that I could be so financially ignorant, but I just thought of the near future and not the retirement future, and that is what kept me thinking, “This is a good decision, and I can recover from it in no time.”

 

Mrs. SSC says:

Wow! I’m beginning to realize that I don’t know even half of the stupid, bone-headed decisions Mr. SSC made when he was younger!  Good thing we rushed into marriage – now we are stuck with each other!  Anyways, so Mr. SSC asked me to calculate what he lost by cashing in his 401k back in 2005.  Let’s say Mr. SSC cashed out $12,000 in 2005, of which he got $9,000.  If instead he rolled it over to an IRA based on the advice of his coworkers, HR, and financial expert, instead of listening to his financially-backward family, who were probably just hoping that some of that money would come their way.  Anyways, I’m pretending that this more intelligent version of Mr. SSC  gets 7% returns, and inflation increases 3% yearly.  Wow! Mr. SSC would have the equivalent of $42,000 at the time he turned 60… or about 10 months of living expenses.  Looks like Mr. SSC gave up almost a year of freedom for that ‘cool’ SUV.  Sigh…   Just for reference, when I quit my engineering job to start graduate school in 2003, I had ~$45,000 in my 401k from about 4 years of work, which I diligently rolled over. This could grow to over $170,000 by the time we turn 60, and luckily, my good decisions should buffer Mr. SSC’s nasty financial mistakes.

 

What are some boneheaded money mistakes you’ve made in your life? Even better, what did you learn from them? Let me know!

Bad Decisions Part 3: Easier credit, harder payments

So, when I left off in “Bad decisions Part 2: Easy credit, hard payments” recall, I had just started using my credit card how the credit card companies wanted me to use it. Racking up debt way beyond what I could pay off each month, and continually adding to it, to inevitably have a lifelong bill and interest payments to “the man”. Remember, they have all the loopholes and technicalities taken care of so a late payment, jump interest to 14%, another late payment, 16%, it rained today? 22%, haha! Okay that didn’t happen, but it sure seems like it could have with the ways the interest rate would keep increasing.  I didn’t really understand that higher interest rate means I’m paying way more for my borrowed money than it’s worth.

 I lived on the edge like that with no savings per se (recall the student loan post) but then, I broke my collarbone mountain biking. At the time, I had decent health coverage through work, but it didn’t cover the unpaid time-off that I had to take to heal. So, while I spent 12 weeks healing, my bills grew higher and higher since I no longer had any income. After that incident, I had a temporary glimpse of how bad the situation was.  I focused and was eventually able to catch up on rent and utility bills, and then I declared in earnest to pay off the credit card.  Well, I didn’t, and I kept using it like it would never have to get paid off. I’d get it close, but then the alternator would go out on the car, or I’d have to fly home for the holidays, or Widespread Panic was in town for a show… I blame myself, but also the company I kept. They lived by the “we can make more tomorrow” philosophy since they were mostly restaurant servers and could pick up extra shifts and have $100-$300 cash in hand at the end of the night. I was in the kitchen, paid hourly every 2 weeks and had no hope of earning extra cash…

What happened next, wasn’t me putting the card away and paying it off. Instead, I got ‘ smart’ and thought I’d go a different route and play the credit card game against them. Remember, I suck at good financial decisions, I can make bad ones all day long.  Anyway, I decided  that I’d get a NEW card and transfer the balance to that card for 0% interest for 12 months, and pay it off that way. I planned to take that extra $100 from interest on the old card that I was now saving, and use it to pay down the principle on the new card. Except, now I had TWO credit cards, and one was empty! I told myself that I would just use the old card a little bit. But next thing I knew, I was in a restaurant ordering microbrews and dinner and realizing, “I don’t have the cash for this, I should go before the tab gets too big.” I was constantly telling myself that this was the last time – tomorrow I would stop spending and pay down the bill…

But, the credit card didn’t get put away, and it became easier to use that card too. Except now, I have two cards, and I’m putting more and more on them. Enter Christmases, birthdays, Opening Day at Coors Field, subsequent ball games, plus music at Red Rocks, Filmore East, The Bluebird, and Boulder Theater! (Have I mentioned how much I love seeing live music?) I love it!  Denver has a great music scene and man did I revel in it. But it costs a lot. The best example of this was when Neil Young came to Red Rocks for a 3 day show. For the first time ever, I wistfully sat to the side and said “I don’t have enough $$ to go. I can’t afford it.” I was in school with some people that went to the first night and it sounded epic, a first set of all electric, then acoustic, then electric (did I mention Chrissie Hynde and the Pretenders were there too?) So, come the third night after hearing stories of these epic shows, I decided this is it! I’ve had all I can stand, and I can’t stand no more! I’m going to the show! I marched downstairs after class, went straight to the ATM and it said Checking: $23…. damn…. Savings: $60…. double damn… Well, I get paid Friday (this was Wed) I’m working the rest of the week, what the hell. I emptied my savings and walked out to my car. I stopped at a store to get a sixer for the show, and headed out to Red Rocks. I hit the off-ramp and found many people willing to sell tickets, but I was down to $40. After some haggling I got my ticket for $40! It was an amazing show, one of my top 5 ever, but this was typical of most of most of my financial decisions. Impulse, impulse, impulse, and no thought to future.

Eventually, I set up a system to pay the cards down. I would always write a check towards the cards first thing when I got paid. This worked, but it took $750 off the top of each paycheck just to pay down debt. That’s ridiculous! That’s about  $9000/yr towards paying down debt, so why wasn’t it all paid off in a year? Well, I had a LOT of debt, and instead of “sniper-ing” one card at a time, I was paying $300 to Discover, $300 to Visa, and $150 to Target, yep I even got a Target card…. I mean for 5% off purchases? Yeah, it didn’t pay out for me at all. Plus, by splitting it up over 3 cards, I still spent close to the amount I paid for each card each month through dumb decisions. Maybe one month I’d spend $300 on Discover, then the next month on Visa, the next month on Target. This was not helping me pay down debt.  I at least had been at this a good year or so before I met Mrs. SSC, and when we joined financial forces, I still brought in almost $9,500 of credit card debt to the relationship alone.

Looking back, I realize I could’ve been more efficient with my attempts at paying the credit cards down. By going after the highest interest first, then the next I could’ve save us a year or more of work, but no…Spreading it around and paying a little toward each card just wasn’t effective. However, on the bright side, I was consciously working toward paying them off.

What do you notice that tends to be a recurring negative trend in your finances? What, you’re not tracking them? At ALL?! Whoa, right now, open an excel sheet and type “My money” in the upper cell, and start listing where your money goes each month. It’s that simple. Even starting with large categories like, credit card, mortgage, car payment, insurance, etc… can be eye opening as to where you can cut costs. You’ll probably be as amazed as I was when I actually started “budgeting”. In a few days, I’ll be posting about my relationship with budgets in my Bad Decisions Part 4: Budgets are a four letter word!

 

 

Bad Decisions Part 1: It’s raining student loans!

SSC student loans

When I was in college and  grad school, I took out much more in student loans than I needed, to try to live above my means, and I have only recently started to understand the financial ramifications and lament the decisions that the younger Mr. SSC made. Let’s start at the best place to understand these decisions: The Beginning!

The problem started a long time ago when I was working on my Bachelor’s degree.  At first, I was undeclared and attending college simply because that is what I was supposed to do.  Initially, I was attending Western Kentucky University (WKU) on a Pell Grant while also working long hours at a restaurant to foot the other bills. I got the shaft when my mom married a judge and they claimed me on income tax and it derailed my Pell Grant status. After a couple of semesters paying for school myself, I took some time off to figure out what I wanted to do, and if it even involved college. My time-off resulted in a long hiking trip, and the decision to go back to school to pursue an environmental science degree. I declared my major, registered for classes, and was introduced to the wonderful world of student loans and it was amazing! They’ll “give” you money to go to school! This was brilliant! I could get a student loan, pay for school, and have some cash left over for living expenses. After all, it was ‘deferred’ – not that I really understood at the time what that truly meant. This was like getting the free money of an income tax refund two more times a year. Awesome!

Obviously, I started taking out student loans. Fortunately, the school was in-state tuition, so not very expensive. Nonetheless, I still managed to rack up about $12k in loans over my 1.5 yrs there. In August 1999, I went to Colorado to visit family and fell in love with the area.  By January 2000, I was enrolled at the University of Colorado at Denver and studying full time in the geology program.

Upon transferring to CU Denver, I did myself several disservices. First, at WKU I had completed all my required elective courses, and only needed 3 semesters to complete my new major. However, CU Denver classified things differently and I needed another 30 hrs of electives (ten more classes), almost 2 whole years because I could only manage 12 hrs a semester while working. Even worse I had to take math! Two frigging yrs of math! Gah! A whole semester of trigonometry only, and a yr of algebra, and a yr of calculus and I’m sure there was a semester of regular geometry, shit, that’s 3 yrs of math, see how bad at it I am? That just added more time and $$. Second, I was now an out-of-state student subject to out-of-state tuition. This was three times the in-state tuition price. “This was fine”, I told myself, “it will only be for 2 semesters, so it won’t be that bad”. Subsequently, my school loans jumped from about $5k/semester to ~$16k/semester* for tuition alone with almost no left over funds for subsidizing living.

My plan was to live in Denver, work and go to school downtown, and be able to play in the mountains in my free time- now that’s the life! Except I now had to study a lot just to pass stupid math classes and work full time and be broke, so I didn’t get to the mountains much except to hike some 14’ers on the occasional weekend day I may have had off. Sigh….   I was maxing out loans and still working full-time at a good restaurant job, so I had that income, but no savings or contingency in case of an accident. I felt this was fine though. I was investing in me, and my future, and with this degree, surely I’d get a good job to cover these loans.

However, with my poor finance skills, I wasn’t keeping an accurate tally of how much I’d actually borrowed. Take that back, every year I got a statement that said “you owe $XX amount in student loans”, but, I’d glance at it and throw it in the trash. What I wasn’t considering was the payback. Yeah, they eventually want their money back! Gah!!! Meanwhile, I kept borrowing and taking as much as they’d give me, and it was like a breath of fresh air each semester when I’d get that check for $3-5k extra. I was so excited that I could catch up on bills, and restock my savings which was empty again (damn thing was always empty, how does that happen?).  I even had a little extra money to be able to go out with friends.**

Eventually, I was out of school and had a good job as a geotechnical engineer. Yeah, I’m not an engineer, but I played one at work. It was a decent gig, I loved the job and it paid about $45,000. I was starting to live the dream baby! Then I started getting bills, a LOT of bills for my student loans. Kentucky wanted money for the WKU loan, Colorado wanted money for the CU Denver loan,  and Sallie May wasn’t my friend anymore, but more like an angry ex-wife. My monthly bills were close to $500. I freaked out after covering them for 3 months when my savings died and I was still paying. I got a great rate and consolidated them all at ~2.25% interest. Hell yeah! That’s some personal financing! I cut my bill in half almost, and now just had one bill to pay, and I set it up to a separate bank account so when I overdrew my main account (yes this happened more often than not) it would still get paid. Good job Mr. SSC, let’s go out and celebrate!

I ended up going back to grad school, and got those loans in deferment as quickly as possible, whew! There’s an extra $300 a month! Now, for more student loans… Yep, I still took out student loans even though grad school tuition was paid for. I was even getting a stipend of ~$20k/yr just to go to school. But I had tasted the good life at $45k and couldn’t go back! Actually, I’m just a sucker for bad financial decisions, and I racked up another $12-15k maybe in grad school loans. See, I still don’t know… Ultimately, I was in for over $60,000 when it was all said and done.

I could have helped us get to FI and leave work to stay at home almost 2 full yeas sooner if I’d been more financially sober in my decision-making. I don’t regret the decisions I made, hell it’s what makes you the person you are – good decisions, bad decisions, ugly decisions. The main point is that by being so financially reckless in my younger days, I prolonged my work life by at least a few years.

I hope that you may be able to learn from my poor decision-making and realize that yes, you can save enough and retire early. Like early 40’s early, even with a late start in life. Hell, I made the worst of the worst decisions, and I cashed out a 401k at 28, it was up to $12000! Still, I’ve been able to recover in spite of myself. For me, it took changing my mindset of living as if there’s no tomorrow and instead looking toward a future with no work and more family time. You may want to have that time with family too, or just fishing, gardening, or doing whatever you want, but until you break that mindset of “I’ll pay it back later” it’s just not going to happen.

Let me know if you’ve made any stupid decisions you realize cost you a few more years getting to FI or early retirement. Check back for more installments of the series Bad Decisions, there have been a lot… Next up — Bad Decisions: Easy credit, hard payments.

 

 

*I tried to appeal the third semester of out-of-state tuition to have it switched to in-state, but I lost the appeal and paid the full 3 semesters out-of-state tuition, because administration loves technicalities in their favor.

** Working at a restaurant had its advantages. I got $2 pints at work (off clock, of course) and a free meal each shift (so, ~6 days a week). BUT, my friends were all servers and got $100 – $300 a night. They were always saying “let’s leave the cheap drinks here and go anywhere else to get more expensive drinks, or out to dinner, sushi anyone?”.  I was running with the wrong but fun crowd, and I didn’t want to be different. So I would go and just charge it to a credit card if I didn’t have the funds available (which was always).

The Beginning: Mr. SSC – Jay

Mt HoodEarly Retirement? Riiiiiight….

This “early retirement” stuff, all started in 2014 when Mrs. SSC started throwing around phrases like “lifestyle creep” and “FIRE”, and talking about how we could retire from the 9 to 5 in maybe 5-7 years, instead of the ~20 years that had always been the plan. I mean, first of all, who REALLY does that, and how do they do it so easily? After checking out all the personal finance articles and blogs that Mrs. SSC was constantly emailing me, I realized that most people do this by living on extremely low, almost unbelievable incomes. Especially, the ones supporting a family. It might work great for them, and I applaud them for being able to achieve FI and retire early, but I just saw it as unfeasible for the lifestyle I want to live.

If only there was a way that we could “pre-tire” and transition from dual income parents to dual stay at home parents and not decrease our current lifestyle. Wouldn’t that be great?! Yeah, I agree. BUT, how does that happen? Can it work for us, and if so how? I plan on showing you our approach and how we are getting there- maybe it will help you get there also.

Let me qualify my opinion and statements on this blog with the fact that I’m horrible with money, budgets, and savings, but especially savings, and budgets, and money. My family was bad at it, so I didn’t have any good financial role models, however, I still thought I was pretty good, since I was the best one with money in my family. But the truth is, I just suck at managing finances. I can manage them, but I manage them right back into the economy and out of my checking account…

Enter Mrs. SSC

Fortunately, I married someone who is great with money, saving, and planning. Actually, she’s great at planning anything and everything and so we go well together. When we finished school and started working she already had a nice rollover 401k, and a little nest egg already built up. I had cashed out my 401k (seriously, I did that, the entire 12k…) and I had a lot of debt. Mostly from school loans, but the rest were simply self-induced due to poor spending habits through ease of spending with credit cards. By paying down ALL those debts month after month, and saving for newer cars, we never got the lifestyle creep that comes with most Dual Income No Kid couples.

While I’d been busy wanting a boat (kayaks are fun, but aren’t boats even more fun?), luxury auto (why not me? can’t we afford a nice car?) and wanting to do things other people were doing, my wife had been working her magic in the background.

I realized that while I’d jokingly referred to budgeting and investing  as Mrs. SSC’s hobby, it really was. She  would show me her graphs and spreadsheets and I’d peruse them and think, “why the hell can’t I buy a boat? I see it right there. This amount would cover the boat I want,  come on, one little boat?”  The conversation usually went like this:

Me: “We can afford a boat.”

Mrs. SSC: “Yes, but do we want to afford it?”

Me: “Of course we do! Boats are great, I like fishing, we could have fun on the water every weekend.”

Mrs. SSC: “Where would we keep it? What about tax, title, registration, insurance, gas?”

Me: “Fine, but what about a kayak?”

Mrs. SSC: “You can get a kayak, as long as your allowance covers it.”

That’s why we have an allowance system  that works, um, well it worked I guess…

Anyway, I still never realized this goal of early retirement/financial independence was being realized through Mrs. SSC’s planning. Essentially, when she showed me that this whole time we have been living our comfortable life on about 50% of our income, and investing the rest – I realized that our dream could really happen.

For us, it’s simple. We like our jobs, but love spending time with our kids more. We realized that we can keep our current lifestyle and become stay at home parents when we reach our “number” that lets us have enough money to live on from ages 43 to 60. Right now, that’s in 5-7 yrs depending on the stock market and other things out of our control. Best case scenario, in 4 yrs, we can start house hunting in our pretirement town. Worst case, it’s closer to 7 yrs. I say pretirement, because neither of us wants to stop working, however, if we can work at something we like and not worry about raising a family on that income alone, that’s what we’re looking for. Whether it’s teaching part-time, working in a fly shop, maybe a micro-brewery, essentially something that ties in with my likes and hobbies without worrying that it isn’t making much money.

A couple of weeks ago, my wife found a new financial planning/retirement calculator that she has been loving running different models with. It’s easy to use and you can set it to modes like “I always want to live off of $XXk/yr or I’m flexible to live off %/dividends in stock per yr”. You input your values and it runs it from beginning of stock market to current day and lets you know how many times your plan would fail. Through the 20’s, the 80’s, the recent downturns etc… you can see how you would fare. It also shows your ending wealth, assuming you die at 90. You may be able to change that age too, but again, Mrs. SSC’s domain tinkering with these tools, so I won’t quote anything. (OK, she just told me it is called cFIREsim)

However, what it showed me was eye-opening! It was the first time since all this jibber-jabber about ‘early retirement’ and ‘stay at home lifestyle’ was brought up that I realized “Holy Sh!t, we REALLY can retire before 45!” Seriously… Like a cold, wet fish smacked into your face. It is the first time I realized that this was a reality, even though I’ve been a silent conspirator for years now. For those of you with kids (sorry ladies, this is a guys only moment), it’s like when you’ve been feeling the babies kicks through the belly, see him/her moving around, deciding names, putting together cribs, painting rooms, coming up with baby registry lists, etc… It’s all still abstract until birth when you actually see your child, hear their cry, touch them, and it hits you, “this is real”.

Make your own Retirement Baby and watch it grow bigger each day!

My financial independence baby showed up a couple of weeks ago, and holy crap it’s REAL. We can do this without adjusting our current lifestyle. We found our number, worked backwards, and in 4-7 yrs, we can say adios to the 9-5 dual income lifestyle. Maybe you can do the same, but it will be your way, your pace, and your decision on what that number is and how quickly you want to get there. We found ours and are counting down to slowly sipping coffee on our back porch.