Perspective Affects Everything
Just because something does or doesn’t happen to you doesn’t necessarily mean that it doesn’t occur. The best example of this is the latest conversation that I had with my brother. For example, my whole life I felt like he, my sister and my mom had this strange close bond between each other and I was excluded because “I was like dad”. My mom is an artist and has been an art teacher and always tried to be an artist in her free time. My brother and sister seemed to fall into that easily and could draw, paint, etc, fairly easily and do it well. Dad was a musician and played the trumpet and piano and had a music scholarship for college at WKU. Due to Vietnam, and family issues, he ended up not drafted and working at the phone company as an outside lineman for his entire career. 33 years, ultimately. 33 years… 🤯
During that time, he married, had a daughter, divorced, remarried, and had 3 more kids, me being the middle kid of that second crew. He and I seemed to be like a spitting image of each other, in so many ways. We talked constantly, could have a conversation with a fencepost, I’m sure Josh Overmeyer could attest to that fact. The biggest thing was that I saw dad as my confidant, my friend, someone I could talk to and trust with my feelings. But it wasn’t always like that.
Hate Takes Energy. LOTS of Energy
There was a time I didn’t like him and there was a time I hated him. Like actively spent energy on hating him. And if you’ve ever really hated anyone, holy shit, it takes a LOT of energy. A LOT. After about 18 months, I realized that he wasn’t worth the energy it took to hating him. It took more energy to dislike him than if I just didn’t care. That’s a sobering thought. When someone doesn’t even seem to be worth enough energy to care about. 😳
But there I was. Enter my ex stepmom. She wanted all of us to come together and well, she succeeded. I eventually told dad that I could wipe the slate clean and move forward from here on but it wasn’t baseball, there weren’t 3 strikes, he got 1. Just 1. But I’d be willing to start there if he was. And he was more than excited to have a chance and off we went. From there, it was one of the stronger adult relationships I’ve ever had. We talked often, usually a couple times a week and if it went less than 2 hrs it was shocking, lol. We’re both talkers, so content was never an issue. But we’d be open and vulnerable and share life with each other and that was what I loved and enjoyed.
Reconciliation Works
It’s scary and hard to trust someone with your feelings. Really scary. That’s why when people find that someone they usually marry them and spend their lives together. And I’m not saying I wanted to marry dad, rather that connection with anyone is special, regardless of how they came into your life. One of my greatest supporters in my life now is a friend I’ve had since 🤷🏻♂️ 2010 or so? But I can tell him my feelings, good and bad, how life is going (for real) and not ever think I’ll be judged, but rather supported, accepted and asked how they can help to make life better. That’s a friend, and what I had with dad for the last 8-10 yrs of our relationship.
Things are never the same for you as other people. As we’ve seen over the past year and longer, that just because things don’t happen to you doesn’t mean that they don’t happen to other people. I should’ve known this but even I was blinded to that fact. While I was able to make amends and ultimately have a good relationship with my dad, I didn’t consider that my siblings couldn’t so the same. To be fair, my relationship with my mom was toxic. Imagine loving someone and constantly feeling they keep you at arm’s length and don’t even acknowledge you’re in their top 10 of important things in life, and that’s my mom. My therapists both in LA and OK pointed this out, and this is why I was so comfortable with my ex wife, let’s call her Mabel, because emotionally, Mabel was the same emotional relationship I was comfortable with having grown up with my mom. No physical relationship, love is on their terms and there isn’t any way I felt loved, unless they “allowed it”. Super controlling in every way, but especially emotionally. When my OK therapist brought this up, I was like 🤯OMG… Yeah, that tracks.🤯
Nothing is Unique
What I’d didn’t expect was that my situation was unique. After talking with my brother this evening, I found out that I’m not unique, no one is unique, and life and poor parenting cam happen to anyone. Much like my mom was toxic to me, he never knew anyone beyond “the asshole” that was my dad. We talked and I was like, well growing up there was “the asshole” and then there was “Pat” the neutral version of dad. Not mean but not nice. My brother said he never knew anyone but the asshole. No “Pat”, no “dad” just the asshole. Always. There was never any connection as a friend or confidant or even parent. It blew my mind. How is it that this person I could share with and be so intimate with and be so supported by, be nothing more than an asshole to my sibling who was in the same situation?! I was lost.
Then I started thinking about my relationship with mom. She was a very talented artist with pottery, charcoal drawing, pastels, and watercolor and my brother and sister picked up on that immediately, it seemed. They were all talented in that respect and while I might be able to draw 2d better than most,it sucks compared to them. 😂 They had this incomparable bond and art seemed to be it. I always felt on the outside with those 3.
I just never realized that it went both ways. Because I felt ostracized with my siblings and mom, and more so because “you’re just like dad” and noone liked dad, well, it made sense that if dad asked me to hang out, it beat the shit out of being around that environment. Seriously, it felt like a “you’re with us or against us and we’ve already decided you’re against us” sort of thing. So when dad would go out to have coffee with his HAM radio buddies on the weekend hell yeah I’d go. I learned to talk to all kinds of people. I asked questions and learned all about how to solder, make radios, electrical engineering (very minor for sure) but if I asked questions (which I did A LOT) they were more than happy to answer. And I got to spend time with dad. And we’d go hiking together or spend time together in other ways but mostly it revolved around HAM radio.
Again, even with this seemingly solid foundation, remember this is still a person with undiagnosed bipolar disorder that was self medicating with “not alcohol” at that time so he was still an asshole to deal with. Or rather he was dad, and was “moody” “disruptive” “explosive” or more. Her could also be loving, kind, and hugged me more than any person I’ve met to date but he wasn’t without his faults.
Jealousy Sucks: In Every Way
While I had this seemingly “great” relationship with dad, my siblings saw it as we were tight and they just got treated like an afterthought because he was “the asshole”. And it sucks, because I’m like, sure me and dad didn’t get close until college but when we did, damn, he was my closest friend in the world. Literally, my best friend. We supported each other as best we could and we got each other and didn’t judge each other or anything.
But I get it. They felt that same strong relationship with mom but for me… Mom was toxic. I felt and she confirmed through action that I was the last thing on mom’s to do list each day. She’d get off work at 5pm and I’d get picked up between 7-9pm before she’d head out of town to the house. Literally, I was THE LAST thing on her list of stuff to do. As I progressed thru life, that never changed but became more amplified. At one point she was moving from New Orleans to Nashvegas and I went down to Slidell to help load stuff. She started crying at some point and I asked why and she replied that she was going to miss “her kids” so much and being so far away was going to be hard. I was kind of stunned because “her kids” she’d known for less than an academic year at that point, meanwhile her literal son and only grandson had lived within 30 min from her for the last 18 months and she’d never come up to visit once. Literally, visits were when I tried to get them to happen and seek validation for, idk but that’s what I wanted back then. Acceptance, confirmation I was doing great, and love. Just love. And nothing. I got nothing. When she said that statement, it validated all my feelings and all that I’d felt over the last few decades of not even being enough. To not be enough, I’d have to be noticed. You can’t be less than, when you’re not even noticed. While I’d like to say that was the end of my relationship with my mom it wasn’t. It went on for another 4 yrs until I was in Texas. Until finally, I was able to say that I deserved better than that.
I just never realized my brother could’ve been feeling the same with my dad. I know he called him Pat (his name’ish) since the divorce, I just figured it was a male dominance, “you’re not my dad” sort of thing. I never knew it was that it was the least aggressive way to address him by also letting him know that “yeah, you’re done here”.
Summary
So, yeah. That’s my story of growing up with my parents and siblings. Rather, that’s one aspect of that whole godawfulness that was my childhood. 😆 I loved my dad, and I’m glad I got to know him and we became such friends and companions and confidants later in life. I’m sad for my brother that he never had that or got to see that side of dad. He was awesome. For me. He was supportive. For me. He was my best friend. For me. I still miss him. A lot.
I hope that my mom is as good as a support that I got from dad to my brother as my dad was for me. My brother and mom are super close. Always have been, and will be until they die. And I’m sad I don’t have that relationship, but I’m ok with it too. I cut my mom out of my life , idk, 5 yrs ago now? It’s been one of the better things for my mental health but it still sucks not having a relationship with a parent. Even when you know it’s toxic to you, it still sucks. Amd knowing how strong my dad’s relationship with me was and how much positivity it added to my life, I hope he’s getting the same from mom.
It’s just amazing to me, how disparate our perspectives are and yet we grew up in the same space, with the same people, and we actually felt supported and disliked/not even acknowledged by the other parent. Just… Wow…
I don’t know what the point of all of this story is other than, be empathetic. When hearing others stories, know there aren’t just 2 sides, there are at least 6 sides whether you recognize the other 4 sides at the time or not. Everything is more complicated than we make it seem to be, whether you acknowledge that it IS or isn’t more complicated. Your validation of a situation doesn’t make it any more or less real. That situation exists whether you decide to validate it or not.
In the end, be nice. Be caring and be open to other views than your own. Just because you also existed in the same time and space as someone else DOES NOT mean you experienced the same thing.
Have you ever experienced this? Do you have a sibling, ex, anything that sees things a totally different way but you both “lived thru the same experience”? Any thoughts on how it was different for them? I’d love to hear about it.
JP
January 25, 2021Wow, that’s quite a story. Its a shame you and your siblings had a bad experience on one end of the parenting side. But, yeah, its fascinating how people can have completely different relationships and see completely different sides of the same person. I have an uncle who was a genuine joy to me after I lost my father(his brother) early in life. However, his own daughter and he had a strained and estranged relationship due to a divorce and remarriage. Life is complicated.
Mr SSC
January 26, 2021Life is complicated indeed. I do find it fascinating how one person can have a great relationship with a human that can’t seem to connect with someone that should be “closer” or “easier” for them to connect with.
I just realize that you have no idea what their internal hangups, fears, personal roadblocks are with those relationships. Like with you and your uncle, maybe the stress of you not being a child of his made it easier to be open and connect and not worry about being the perfect dad, or good dad, or am I raising her right?
Life’s complicated indeed.
Thanks for the comment!
steveark
January 26, 2021Yikes, that sounds like a really rough way to grow up. You are right, having had two wise, kind and loving parents who stayed married for 63 years I tend to assume that’s normal. In fact in my generation (OK, Boomer) very few of my friends, if any, had divorced parents. It just wasn’t a thing back then. So things that led to pain in your life and lives of others seem imaginary to someone like me that never felt them or saw the collateral damage parents can cause their kids. Oddly my brother and I experienced pretty much the same life. I can’t think of any hard thing from childhood that affected us differently. But your post is a great lesson to be empathetic, or if you can’t, to at least be sensitive to the pain in others even if you had an easy life yourself.
Mr SSC
January 26, 2021Yeah, it wasn’t sunshine and roses all the time, but I feel like it was still a good childhood. Seeing kids in DHS system, they just see it as life and unless they’re older, they don’t know that life could be, should be “better”. It’s amazing what just being with people that love you can do to your attitude and desire to be near them, regardless of what situation you’re living in.
I get your point that what you grow up with is what you see as normal. I had a conversation with my best friend from college and I said something like, yeah, growing up, not sure I’d want to go through that again… And he had your perspective and I was like, oohhh yeah, not everyone experienced the same as me so I shouldn’t just assume they do or did or can empathize with the situation.
Thanks for the compliment about being empathetic. I find it lacking in a lot of people and tbh it’s just easy to not be empathetic. If you’re empathetic you have to feel things and they’re not always comfortable things and most people don’t like feeling uncomfortable feelings, especially when they don’t have to.
Great point about, if you can’t be empathetic, at least be sensitive.
Thanks for the comment. 😁
J.D. Roth
January 26, 2021Love this. Seriously. This is a concept I think about all of the time, and something I try (but often fail) to consider when dealing with other people, especially those close to me. It’s also why I preach “do what works for you” at GRS. We’re all different. We all have different strengths, different weaknesses, different psychologies, different experiences. We can’t expect everyone to get the same results from the same actions. Too often in life (and the PF space), we think, “This is how it is for me, so this must be true for everyone.” But it never is. I know this veers dangerously toward solipsism, but I truly believe that we’re each just doing the best we can, you know?
Mr SSC
January 26, 2021Thanks for the comment and compliment. Yeah it’s easy to shield yourself from others experiences and just think everything that you experience is how life is for everyone. And omg the past 7 months working in DHS has just driven that point home even more. Just, wow.
What makes some stronger, literally breaks others, and what some thrive on, others don’t even notice. Just the whole dynamics of it all is fascinating to me. And yes, I have used that word a lot lately but like you said, we can’t expect the same results from the same actions for everyone.
I’ve always been intrigued how differently 2 people can experience the “same thing” and be shaped entirely different from that shared experience.
I’m also a big fan of “you do you” and what works for me won’t work for, idk, probably most of the population that aren’t petroleum geologists, lol.
Concepts can be transferrable, but action and the drive behind those concepts are entirely different for each person.
I still don’t like dealing with or thinking about money. My dream would be back to having enough that I don’t have to worry about it except for the cursory, don’t overspend dummy! Type of attitude.
But watching budgets like a hawk and pinching pennies… Why did I get this degree to live like I did before then?
Yet other people seem to thrive on optimizing every single cent. Not me man, not me.
Yeah, I too feel like we’re all just doing the best we can.
revanche @ a gai shan life
January 29, 2021My sibling and I grew up with what I thought were the same parents but as an adult I realize that was never the case because we ourselves were different people. He was Dad’s clone but his version was still unpolished: charming, good with people, narcissist, bombastic. I suppose that means I’m more like my mom, but I found my brother a completely repellant person because I could see from very early on that he was shallow, and selfish, and completely out for himself at any cost to others. I don’t even like people in a general sense but I couldn’t imagine treating people like pawns in my grand schemes of life and not caring how my actions inevitably hurt them for my gain. I definitely have my flaws and my own kind of selfishness and anxieties and all that but it took me a long time to realize that even though we came from the same set of parents, we were completely different and so we were parented differently. It took me most of my adult life to understand that the reason he never changed was because he was like Dad and therefore of course Dad enabled him and to this day still prioritizes him over me. I was only ever a resource to exploit for money, my brother was Dad’s “responsibility”. He had no responsibility to me, I guess, so using me to prop up my brother was a-ok.
But I bet if you asked my brother, he would say that our parents always supported me and were against him because he chafes against Dad looking out for him.
Our definition of support very much differs!
Mr SSC
February 1, 2021Yeah, “we were completely different and so we were parented differently” sums it up in a way that I couldn’t. It seems like that’s what was happening in my family as well. The mom and sibling trio was strong and felt exclusionary to me at times, yet they felt the same way about me hanging out with dad. Funny, because going to a diner on saturday mornings to sit with a group of guys talking about Ham Radio and more was not my idea of a good time, but it beat being around the house. Then when I would be able to get engaged and also talk with them or ask questions abuot stuff like electronics, soldering, and could talk with some of them, then it became more fun.
Also, similar to my Grandad offering to take all of us kids hiking. I think maybe once we all 3 went, and then a few times my sis also came along. After that, it was just the 2 of us and somehow my siblings also seemed to see that as “special treatment”. It’s like, well, yeah, to a degree it was, because we would go on week long backpacking trips in the summers and usually weekend hikes on Sunday and I loved all the time I got to spend with him. It wasn’t like that offer wasn’t there for the others, I just took advatage of it.
Yep, our definitions of support very much differ as well.