What to Do, What to Do?
With all of this change that’s come about in the past couple of years, I figured I should revisit the “plan” since my retirement and savings got halved. I can’t say there are many complaints, considering how much we’d saved, so my half is a nice chunk of change. I guess my biggest complaint is finding out that the ex wanted to separate 10 months after we moved, and I quit my job and turned down a promotion to support her career. 10 months… 10 months… That seems like a time period where those feelings didn’t just pop up during those 10 months, but that’s more of a discussion for my therapist, which reminds me that I need to find a new one. To be fair, the ex did say, lets get a therapist and then if it doesn’t change, we should separate by the end of the year, which was 4 months away… So at least there was that concession, lol.
Since then, I’ve used my money to buy 5 acres, and a house. I was looking at building a house on that 5 acres until I heard from my ex that she could be moving to town, maybe in 10 years, maybe after she gets tenure, maybe sooner. Update, she moves to town in 3 weeks, so I’m glad I’m not in the middle of building a property 10 miles outside of town. I’m in the middle of getting a driveway built on the property and ultimately want to build an escape cabin out there. Nothing crazy, just a little log cabin or shipping container type home that I can go spend weekends in, and take the kids out to and enjoy time in the woods.
All of this to say, that things have changed significantly, so I wanted to see how well my retirement was looking. I like using cfiresim, for simulating retirement scenarios. When I researched some random retirement calculators back in 2017, Market Watch actually had a pretty decent one as well. I revisited cfiresim and this is what I came up with.
I’m Good
Based off my inputs, projected yearly spending and if I add nothing else to my retirement, I’ll be sitting pretty comfortable in another 10-17 years. I say 10 to 17 because if I get another oil and gas job, I could be even better and get to tap out in my mid 50’s. If I don’t get another oil and gas job, I’ll probably not add much to the retirement stash, depending what job I’m working that will probably be forced. One thing about oil and gas, they do compensate you very well. In my 6 years at Chevron I ended up with almost as much in my 401k as I got from my 4.5 years at Oxy. Just, wow… Thank you oil companies! So that’s it for this post. Any questions? How’s your retirement going? Let me know. I kid, I kid.
So, at this point, I’m basically at Coast FI, or my understanding of Coast FI. That was a term made popular by the Fioneers or maybe Stop Ironing Shirts but wherever it came from, it basically means that you don’t have to save anymore for retirement to meet your retirement target spending goal. If I am targeting a $60k yearly spend or less, then I’m there. Woohoo!! That’s awesome, but I still need to do something to earn money in the meantime. Which leads me to ask, what to do now?
Lots of Ideas
Since last Spring, I have been creating various business plans and workshopping ideas that could lead to a fulfilling life, cover my expenses and let me have more free time on my way to 59.5. Some of these have included, but aren’t limited to, starting a brewery, starting a cannabis grow operation, starting a child visitation center, starting a coffee shop (hello blog name, lol), and a few more. While working these plans up, I was hoping for a CASA, court appointed special advocate, supervisor position to come open, and when that didn’t happen I went to work for DHS, Department of Human Services. Yowza, was that rough. It lsated a solid 7 months and I’m on my last week there and hope I make it to Friday, or not, at this point, I’m checked out… I say checked out, but I’m also missing my FIRE Mastermind call tomorrow night trying to get one of my more difficult kids placed, and I worked on Saturday checking on one of my successful cases, so the finish line is close but I’m not there yet.
While working at DHS, I didn’t have the mental or emotional energy to pursue any of these things. Just, wow does that job take it out of you, in every way possible. So, I’m coming back to some of these plans now and ironically, a CASA supervisor position is opening up. While I’m not going to apply for that position, for various reasons, I am going to get back to figuring out what to do next. One of the things that has stuck around even though I don’t see how it would work, per se, is the Child visitation center.
Child Visitation Center
Last week, I was having a conversation with my girlfriend about this idea, mainly along the lines of, “After working at DHS, I’m even more convinced the child visitation center won’t be feasible, or possibly even get used. It would be too dependent on people having to come to that place, instead of Braum’s or a park, or some other public place that you can do supervised visits in, and I’ve only had one case that was local to Norman. I just don’t see it happening.” I kid you not readers, later that week, she calls me and says, “I was talking with my old boss at a non-profit and he said, you know where the real need is? Visitation Centers!!” She mentioned my ideas on the subject and the fact that while I’m not totally against it, I won’t be able to bankroll the whole thing, so besides grants, where would you get funding for an idea like that?
Well, I’ll find out more on Wednesday when we have a Zoom meeting to discuss this in more detail. So that’s exciting! And I’ll have time and energy to put towards this. This person is fairly well connected to the non-profit scene around here, having spent his career working in that space, so I’m really excited to see what he comes up with. I’d researched different grants that I could apply for when I was looking into this last year, and they’re out there, it’s just knowing which ones to apply for that would best fit that goal and support that plan better.
Other Ideas
This doesn’t mean that I’m giving up on other income ideas. I’m also communicating with the Pizza Truck CEO about the ins and outs of starting a pizza truck, because hey, I’ve got a restaurant background and am intrigued about the idea and possibilities with it. It seems like it could fit my lifestyle, provide income, and free time to still be creative and have time for the kids and volunteering. I’m also excited about that option. I have some other ideas in the works as well, and they’re at various stages, but most seem to be ruled out on the fact that I don’t have that much capital to put towards them. Much like this visitation center. I can’t bankroll it on my own, but if it could get carried by grants and other funding, I could definitely make it work with my life. I do have other things in the works, but I’ve written about those before and they’re at the stage that people beyond me can make the decision whether or not they move forward.
Inedependent geologist is another route I’ll put energy towards, but even before putting pen to paper and just doing back of the envelope, in my head calculations, s much as I’d love to do that, I also don’t feel like I’ve got enough capital to go down that route. Until I entirely rule it out, I’ll put energy towards that and if I can work up a package of wells on some affordable acreage, then it might be a go. Like I heard from my mentor in that area, “Finding funding for oil wells right now is about as easy as finding a petroleum geology job.” So that will be a hard one to drum up, but it’s very intriguing to me and I have others that have gone that route so I can also talk with them about the realities.
In the meantime, I’m going to enjoy getting back to being creative with woodworking, using the lathe again, painting, and playing music. It’s not a great list of things to do, but it will keep me more than busy.
How about you? have you had any significant life changes that have affected your retirement plans? How are they going? Are you still saving towards retirement, have you hit Coast FI, are you interested in erly retirement? I’d love to hear about your plans! Let me know below.
Maggie @ Northern Expenditure
February 7, 2021We’re in a similar place financially. Trying to figure out when to transition to something we would like to do rather than our full time jobs. I still can’t wait to see what you do with the 5 acres. (speaking as someone about to embark on a new syrup making hobby with my measly 1/3 acre.)
Mr SSC
February 9, 2021I’m excited to hear about your syrup operation. π
But yeah that while, when do we quit is tricky, except when it’s not.
For us, it was easy because the exes new job would create a Wi-Fi setup and that would work for us. I just wish she was more honest that she was too scared to move and try that on her own. Literally the day her parents put a deposit to build in Norman was when she sent that email that we should get a therapist and separate if things don’t I prove on 4 months. π€£
Like that wasn’t the plan all along. Yikes…
With a solid marriage and partnership, that should be an easier decision to make, tbh. You can come at it as partners and not as someone trying to get the leg up on the other person. π
I’m currently having talks with the OK oil and gas commission and Norman oil and gas and a GD non-prident operator that laid their low pressure saltwater disposal line across the entrance to my property bc no one ever needed access to it before and they were being lazy and cheap not burying it. π€£π€¦π»ββοΈ Ironic,my construction is hampered by oil and gas operators being lazy non prudent oil and gas operators. ππ€·π»ββοΈ
Rita
February 8, 2021So I was about 5ish years from retiring and I my job went overseas so I ended up “retired” at 58 and 3/4 yrs old. My husband is still working until I turn 65 so I can get medicare (he’ll be 65 and 1/2) and I won’t file for SS until we are both retired. We have zero debt. We have an emergency fund. I find the combo of not working and covid causes me to spend almost nothing so I am in coast mode until my husband can join me. I do not miss working at all.
Mr SSC
February 9, 2021I wouldn’t miss working at all either, except we hit our number and then it got halved. π€£ So, I’m in coast for because I don’t have to add anything to retirement but I still need to support my lifestyle for another 16 yrs dangit. π And it just hurts sometimes that I left my dream job to support my exes dream job and now here I am. But I’m nothing if not resilient.
I’m excited about potential opportunities between social work, oil and gas, or other who knows what opportunities. At the same time, it seems like there are so many potential opportunities it’s hard to pick which one to focus on. Personally, I’d love to just go back to oil and gas and call it good on another 10 yrs. That would be the fun route, easy route and enjoyable route that I know is proven and has great results. π
Until then,I’ll keep creating business plans and ideas until I find that something sticks.
It sounds like you guys have a great situation. That’s awesome. I’m excited for you. Have you picked up any new hobbies or started any old ones with your new retirement time?
Adam @ Minafi
February 8, 2021Whew, thatβs a lot going on! At least with many of these options you can try them out and see how they feel in some way. That can be the most fun part! You get to figure out which parts you enjoy the most and make a plan.
Iβve been doing similar things last year – just letting myself explore new hobbies and interests. Some stick, most donβt. But either way itβs fun to have options. π
Mr SSC
February 9, 2021That’s a great point, but it also makes it difficult because I’m like, I could do that! Or that! And that! And that! π€£
So, I’m trying to stay focused on what passions I know I have and have fulfilled me in the past. Also, working other opportunities waiting for oil and gas to start hiring again because Lord, 10 more years there and I can retire comfortably at 53 and be done and back to volunteering and hobbies. π The ultimate goal based on my mere 10 months of what fulfilled me not working.
It was volunteering with PTA, my kids elementary school, setting up events, being a scout den leader assistant and showing up to make all of their events happen, and doing CASA and all of that. To me, that was fulfilling and if I didn’t have to work, I’d be, well post Covid, I’d be all about doing that same thing again and finding other places to volunteer at.
I found that’s my jam and am just trying to find an income opportunity that provides that same feeling or create that opportunity but it’s hard. π€·π»ββοΈ
Jax
February 9, 2021I think a visitation center is a great idea! We had a family member that needed court ordered supervision and obviously didn’t want ex in the house and couldn’t afford to hire someone so they wanted us/other family members to do the supervision and trying to find a neutral place that was still fun for the kids to have the visit was very difficult.
In research for our community center, a lot of big companies offer community grants (I think Lowes and Kroger and Walmart, but I am sure there are others) Depending on your model (ie: is it going to be nonprofit) those might be worth looking into. And also the library! Many libraries have grant centers and might be able to guide your research-let me know if you want help researching that aspect!
Mr SSC
February 9, 2021Yes the model would be non-profit. And while the money looked mostly good this time last year, I can’t bankroll it solely. But omg, yes I would love help researching how to make this work. And after my meeting tomorrow, I can have more specific avenues to go down and research. I also love research but with our powers combined!! π
And I’ve done so many supervised visits on parks, fast food restaurants and more, I mean thank God sort of, that Braums never really closed around here and it’s a viable option bc otherwise I don’t know where I would’ve taken families for visits. And what the hell kind of quality visit is that anyway? Hanging out on a booth at a fast food restaurant with your kids for an hour?! Just… JFC… But you get what you get and it sucks. When it’s cold out, parks are out. Covid a d libraries are out as are most public places.
But yes, I’ll let you know about any research help and would love to have that support if you’re available and willing. π€π
Done by Forty
February 11, 2021Fingers crossed for grant money or other financial backing to make the visitation center a thing, and/or the pizza truck. And congratulations on Coast FI.
I’m in the middle of a transition as well — I hope yours goes well and that you find the next path to walk down.
Mr SSC
February 15, 2021Thanks! I’ll definitely update as it moves forward or gets put into the graveyard, that’s for sure.
Yeah, your transition sounds difficult too. I hope yours goes well and you get settled into something that gives you fulfillment on your next stage of your journey. π
Revanche @ A Gai Shan Life
February 11, 2021I don’t think we’re anywhere near CoastFI yet because our expenses are still too high with our HCOLA and two kids. We’ll plan to pay for some portion of their college, hopefully at least one undergrad degree each, but that savings is on autopilot while I work hard to build up our retirement vehicles (pre and post tax).
I was previously taking a page from Tanja’s book, and now also taking a lesson from your own situation, I won’t feel comfortable retiring until we have enough for each of us to be comfortable even in the event that we split sometime down the road. We might be fine together super long term but we might not as well and I don’t want to feel trapped or forced back into suboptimal work situations later in life.
There are so many things I’d love to do to support foster kids and animals that require a lot more money than we have. Sometimes it feels like a choice between retirement and enjoying life or carry on working and having extra money to bankroll my passion projects. And really the notion of carrying on working 9-5 is not at all appealing. That’s a big “I don’t know!” from me! π But I will spend some time working with cFIREsim to see what I can see.
Mr SSC
February 15, 2021Definitely, I feel like the best way to divorce proof your retirement is to… not get married, lol. But seriously.
I know I’d thought about this and waiting until we were at 2x our number “just in case” but this opportunity came up and forced our hand. One of us was going to ahve to make that call or sacrifice, I think we both thought it might go longer than 10 months. Well, I thought that anyway.
Geeting trapped into suboptimal work options, is the worst… the worst…
I don’t feel trapped yet, but that day is getting here sooner and sooner as I still don’t have an income source that was a high or rewarding or as easy as what I walked away from.
Until then, I’ll just work on getting my own income source figured out and be grateful I’m in the position that I am. π
Good luck to you finding that balance between supporting others and planning for your own family. It’s a tough one to figure out.