You’re Promoted! Thanks, But I’m Quitting…
Man was Friday an exciting, stressful, adrenaline fueled sort of day. It definitely added another notch in the career belt for “crazy things that happen at work.” If you didn’t catch what happened on Twitter this past week, here’s the short version of what happened.
I just got promoted to Subsurface Team Lead… I’m still planning on leaving in 3 months… Hooray and oh shit… That sure complicates things pic.twitter.com/lhgaW5Q6Av
— The SSC’s (@coffeesippers) 4 May 2018
If you’ve been following the blog for a little while, you’ll know that my GM “Bill” put me on a development track to get recommended for “the next available” team lead spot. While some positions came and went without me being promoted to them, true to his word, Bill did recommend me for a new team lead position. On Friday he announced to me and my current boss that I would be leaving his team because I was being promoted to the Subsurface Characterization Team Lead for Texas Delaware Basin. Essentially, I got promoted to my boss’s position just a different part of the basin. What neither of them knew was that I wouldn’t be an employee here after August 2nd. Whoops… That led to some soul searching as to what would I do, and the “not as awkward as you would think” conversations I had when I ultimately declined the promotion.
You’re Promoted!
As I mentioned before, I knew that I was in line to get promoted to a Team Lead position this year, most likely in the summertime. Sure enough, Bill got promoted to VP, and a whole host of musical chair style promotions followed his move. I wasn’t worried during that round of promotions because some of them could have made sense for me to move into, but mostly, they didn’t fit me very well. However, my actual promotion came out of left field.
I was standing in my office working, and I got a WhatsApp call from my boss, which was odd, who does that? I tried to answer it but failed and then saw a message from him that said get to “Bill’s” office, now. Oh great, not worrisome at all getting called into your new VP’s office by your boss. The adrenaline immediately hit me and I had a mini panic attack followed by this conversation in my head as I made my way there. “Oh shit, am I getting let go? Wait, why would I be getting let go, I didn’t do anything. Wait, it’s the oil business, you don’t need to do anything to get laid off. Wait a minute, if I get let go, I’ll get severance! Ooohhhh… That could be nice! Maybe it’ll be at least 3 months worth…” These were the thoughts running through my head as I approached the office but when I got closer, behind the closed door I heard laughing and excited sounds and thought, “Oh shit, this is going to complicate things…”
Sure enough, I came in and Bill told me that we didn’t need to have a development meeting the next week, because, Congratulations, you’re being promoted to the Subsurface Characterization Team Lead position for the Texas Delaware Team! The rest of the meeting was kind of a blur because we were talking about strategy, handover of my current position, and getting me up to speed in my new role over the next week or so. I was sitting there thinking, “This is awesome, I DID get the promotion! YES!! Shit… How do I tell them that I can’t accept it? Do I really want to give them 3 months notice?! They could let me go before then if they have that much lead time, and they are talking about how they are already replacing me. Oh wait, I think they just said something important…” (Looks up, smiles nods and adds, “I agree, that’s definitely the way to approach the handover” – drifts back into own brain conversation).
Decisions, Decisions
At this point, I’m excited because I just got promoted to a really good team lead spot. Plus, the people I’ve been working with over the past few years have been put in place above me and around me. As far as career moves go, this is a great one! Except that I had decided months ago, that my career was effectively over at this company. What a pisser… It would’ve been easy to tell my boss and GM about the move and how I can’t accept the promotion, back when we were all in the office together, but now I really was unsure how to approach it.
On the one hand, I wanted to soak up the excitement of being promoted for at least a couple of hours before killing it and my career here. Plus, I wasn’t sure that I wanted them to know that I was leaving with that much lead time. My last company wouldn’t let anyone stick around for 2 weeks after giving notice, much less for 3 months, even if they weren’t going to a competitor. If I was let go early, this could cost me almost $25k in income and about $18k in cash and stock that is due to pay out in July.
That’s a lot to risk just to “do the right thing” professionally. So, I did what anyone would do and called Mrs. SSC to talk about “what the hell do I do now?” After her conversation I was 95% sure I had to tell them I couldn’t take it. To be really sure, I took my work friend out for lunch and we discussed the pro’s and cons of telling them versus staying in the position.
Time To Quit
Between my conversations with myself, Mrs. SSC, and my work friend, we came to the conclusion that professionally and even morally (for me anyway) I couldn’t take the job. I knew it all along, but here’s why I was dragging my feet. As soon as I had this conversation with my superiors, I knew my career was done here. Sure, I’ve been planning it to be over for a couple of years now, but saying it out loud and telling the VP that you’re leaving the company makes it real. I was prepping myself to tell them that in 2 months, not now… However, they forced my hand into telling them sooner. Before the train got too far down that track, I knew I had to stop it.
These were my top 3 reasons for telling them now and passing on the promotion.
- I really like working here, the people, culture, and especially the group that I would be working for that promoted me. I can’t in good conscience screw them over just to “get the promotion.” That’s a dick move in my opinion and I didn’t want to do it. Plus, it wouldn’t be fair for the people that promoted me or the team I’d be taking over. They’d get a new boss and in 2.5 months they’d be getting disrupted AGAIN with another new boss…
- Even though it seems pretty huge and O&G is a global industry, in reality it’s also a pretty tight knit industry. Even though I’m currently not planning on getting another job in this industry, if I took the position and then quit in 2.5 months, it wouldn’t be burning bridges as much as just salting the fields and scorching the earth. Word gets around and if I ever did want to consult, or do anything O&G related, I don’t want to risk my reputation leaving like that.
- We’re fine monetarily, so even if I did get let go soon after telling them, yes it would suck losing ~$40k but in reality, we’ll still be fine. The whole point of getting to where we are today is so we can make decisions not motivated by money but rather if it’s a good fit for our lives. Not telling them about leaving and taking the promotion just doesn’t sit well with me on any level, especially not for that relatively small short term financial gain.
Now that I have decided I needed to tell them comes the awkward part of actually having the conversation. Cue the nerves and adrenaline again, because this could get awkward.
It’s About a Lifestyle Change
I stopped by Bill’s office, but he wasn’t there so I sent an email that I wanted to have a quick chat about the new position. A few minutes later, he stopped by and I started the conversation. I let him know about Mrs. SSC’s background and all of that and then led into the fact she got a tenure track position at a really good University, which is great news for her, but not great news for the company because we don’t have an office there… Because of that and more stuff I mentioned, we will be moving there and I will be leaving the company August 2… Cue the cricket noises.
Have you ever talked to a dog and as you’re talking to him he cocks his head sideways like he’s trying to understand, but he doesn’t quite get it, so he keeps cocking his head back and forth sideways like that will help it understand? Yeah, that was what my GM was doing most of that conversation.
He responded with, “What if we gave you an LTI (i.e. stock)?” I told him, well, the thing is, this isn’t financially driven, this is purely a Lifestyle Change decision. (Sidenote – hooray for blogging about this for almost 4 yrs now so I have it burned in my brain and can espouse the virtues of our Lifestyle Change) I explained how we’re pivoting focus from a dual career couple to a family focus with the emphasis on Mrs. SSC’s career now. I’m going to be the “default parent” and stay at home with the kids and do that sort of thing and she’s going to pursue her dream job. Not money driven at all. If this was financially motivated, you guys would win and we wouldn’t be having this discussion, but it’s not about money.
Then he called my new GM and had him come to my office and I got to explain it all over again. Hooray…. However, the new GM totally got it after the first go around so that made it easy. After a little more talking about the Lifestyle Change and what it would mean for our family they finally realized the value of Mrs. SSC’s new job, the scarcity of those kinds of positions, and ultimately were happy for us.
About 15 minutes after the conversation started the new GM said, “Well, I’ve got to scramble to come up with Plan B, so again, congratulation, thanks again for the heads up earlier rather than a few months from now and I’ve got to go.”
Just like that, my career at this company was ending.
More Conversations?
I couldn’t find my boss before the end of the day to tell him the news, so I let him enjoy the weekend. I figured I’d catch him Monday morning instead – what a way to start his week, lol. When I talked with him I was just as nervous as I had been on Friday, but he was happy about it for us and congratulated us on being such aggressive savers. His point was what we all talk about in the PF sphere is that it’s not about Early Retirement (ER) as much as it’s about giving yourself the freedom to make decisions not driven by financial motives.
He was excited for us and in the time since keeps making funny quips about “I’m getting out while the getting’s good” and things along those lines. I disagree with that, as I’d be really excited to be in my promoted role if we stayed here. Since we’re not, I’m even more excited to be in my stay at home dad role in a couple more months.
My other supervisor, yes I do have many, was also excited for our family, and his only question was, “What am I doing wrong with MY money??” I’ve sent him my Word document with multiple finance links, brokerage account links, advice on setting up couch potato and other “lazy” style portfolios, and more. You can only do so much right?
That was my crazy Friday and following Monday and it reminds me that you should always remain open minded when making plans. I didn’t plan on giving notice by way of declining a nice promotion but that’s how that turned out. I wasn’t planning on leaving Texas to live in another state for the next who knows how many years, but that’s not how that turned out either. I’m not sure what the next 5 years may hold, but I am guessing it won’t be how I imagine it now.
Chris @ Keep Thrifty
May 14, 2018Congrats again on the promotion (since it’s always nice to know people think you’re doing a good job) and on getting through the conversations!
I’m definitely with you that you did the right thing and it sounds like everything turned out well. Excited to see how things evolve in the next few months!
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018I agree, it was nice knowing that “yes, they really do value me!”. As awkward as the conversations were, it turned out as good as it could have, so far.
I’m also excited to see how it turns out, and at least for now there’s no talk of making me leave early. So we’lls ee. 🙂
Mr. PIE
May 14, 2018“I’m not sure what the next 5 years may hold, but I am guessing it won’t be how I imagine it now”
You nailed it with this line.
Planning the drawdown strategy over next few years is one thing. Planning the road map of living, not so straight-forward.
Congrats again on navigating through a rather delicate situation and coming out with relationships intact. You are right, you just never know when you will need to lean on one of those former colleagues for a bit of help or advice down the line.
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Thanks! You’re right, life is not straight forward and easy to plan for. Well, it’s easy to plan for, not so easy to get it right. 🙂
I figured the honest and professional way is the best tact and so far it has worked out. I didn’t think there was a need to look at it as short term gain when i could wreck my reputation doing that. For me, I’d rather keep my reputation and lose the $$ but then I’m not super motivated by $$ for most things. 🙂
Brian
May 14, 2018Congrats! Nice to know they thought highly of your work and you to promote you. I believe it was the right call to let them know. I’m sure it was a roller coaster of a day and emotions. Any indication if they let you ride out the last few months?
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Thanks! Those 2 days were defintely emotional but more adrenaline than sappy, lol. From what I have heard there isn’t any talk to let me go sooner than my planned end date on Aug. 2. Like my boss told me this morning, “with all the re-orgs and moving people around, who knows?” So, we’ll see. I wouldn’t mind being here the full time and the extra income would be nice, but there is also a LOT to get taken care of before we move, so having that time free would be fine too.
Oldster
May 14, 2018Well done SSC. I’m glad that you did “the right thing” and that it worked out for you. I’m a firm believer in “what goes around, comes around” so there is no telling what dividends this honest approach will bring you, but it will bring some, no doubt.
I’m looking forward to following your continuing adventures.
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Thanks, and I agree with that philosophy as well. It just didn’t seem right to stay for the short term gain and put them in such a bad spot.
I’ll definitely keep posting about our adventures, thanks for following along!
Fervent Finance
May 14, 2018Congrats! Any word if they’ll let you stay on until Aug 2nd?
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Thanks! So far, I’ve heard that there shouldn’t be a problem with it. That’s just been from my boss who wants me to keep working as long as possible. Nothing official or from higher ups, but that’s all that I’ve heard currently. Who knows… I’m fine either way, but that’s a gamble I had to take letting them know almost 90 days ahead of time, lol. We’ll see.
You can be assured you’ll ehar about it if I don’t get to finish out that time. 😀
Freedom 40 Plan
May 14, 2018Amazing! Great job on getting the promotion and then sticking with your plans. I just went through a similar experience with quitting and people just not understanding the why and how. I’ve got no regrets tho, and I’m also looking forward to the next thing (which will also include some daddy day care…)
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Thanks! Except for the internet and a couple of people at work that already knew of our plans, it’s still hush hush around here. I’m surprised it’s stayed that quiet for 2 weeks to be honest as we have a major rumor mill that churns non-stop. 🙂
It was interesting that the new VP didn’t understand it wasn’t financially motivated. What would’ve been my new GM did but he and I have also had talks about using all of our vacation every eyar, being turned off from work when we’re not at work, and other “family first” types of conversations, so he got it straight away.
My current boss also got it and is super excited for us. Even now a couple of weeks later he’s still excited and likes talking about having the freedom to make decisions not based on money.
Congrats on you being able to make a similar move. I’m curious to see how the SAHD role pans out. I think it will be a good change and let me get more connected with the kids on a different level since I’ll be around them a lot more than I am now.
Mrs.Wow
May 14, 2018Man, following along with this on twitter was just as awkward as the real story. Seems like everything turned out for the better and honestly if it was easy, it would have made for a boring story. Congrats on the promotion to SAHD!
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Hahaha, living it was even more awkward, lol. 🙂 I wrote and rewrote this a few times trying to make it less complicated, but sometimes the story is what it is. Like you said if it was more trditional, noone would want to read about that and I sure wouldn’t be writing about it.
And thanks, I’m looking forward to my new role!
Nick
May 14, 2018If I was them, i’d still see if I could give you a job where you move. As we discussed, they can come up with some pretty cool arrangements If they want (one colleague commutes from Calgary to Houston once a month. Another commutes weekly from Denver to Houston. All company paid).
If not, well, enjoy the Lifestyle Change and don’t forget your houston friends 😉
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018My current boss isn’t a fan of remote work, which isn’t a big deal. I did find out someone in another group got a remote work opportunity because her husband was moving to Denver for a job. It’s on a 3 months trial basis, but it set precedent. It’s jsut with a whole different set of supervisors, VP’s and company, lol.
I wouldn’t mind too much if they did try to work something out, but I’m not sure that I want a remote work option, except for the money. I like working here and the people I work with, but I think a remote setup would be difficult to provide value and I’m looking forward to having some free time, at least for the first year. 🙂
I’ll let you kow if I hear of anything, and don’t be strangers if you guys want to come up and visit. There’s room for you all. 🙂
Mrs. Picky Pincher
May 14, 2018Shoo-ee! What a rush. Isn’t that just the most stressful thing ever? Mr. Picky Pincher ended up getting employee of the month the DAY before he planned to put in his two weeks’ notice. Talk about awkward lol.
And they did revoke the employee of the month!
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018It was definitely a stressful adrenaline fueled day, that is correct!
That’s hilarious and petty that they revoked the employee of the month award. sheesh. Yes, I figured something similar might happen with me giving them so much notice, but we’ll see if they let me finish out my time here or “voluntell me” to leave sooner. 🙂
Wealthy Doc
May 14, 2018Wow.
Good work!
That is scary and courageous.
I love your description of what you were feeling and thinking. I felt like I was there! I have made similar changes in my career in the past. At the time I was terrified and many didn’t get it. Especially those trying to figure out how the decision helps me as a “profit-maximizing” being. I explained I’m not a profit maximizer. I have enough. They didn’t get it. I never regretted it though. We only have one life and we must live it according to our own path and values. Thanks for sharing your unique journey with us readers.
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Thanks! I appreciate the compliment on the writing!
Less people ahve “gotten” the fact that it’s not financially motivated and like you experienced they are wondering why I’m leaving in my key money making years. It doesn’t make sense from a $$ perspective and when they don’t realize it’s not a decision driven by maximizing my earnings, it’s hard to come to any understanding. Oh well…
I’m excited for my new role as SAHD, but my brain has now shut off in the office. Seriously, this is another reason I didn’t want to give them SO much elad time because now my brain knows we’re done here and is like, Wait, why are we here again? What are we supposed to be doing today? Wait, why are we still here? It’s kind of maddening to be honest. 🙂
Tawcan
May 14, 2018Congrats on the promotion and good for you for thinking about the ramifications rather than just accepting it. Given that you plan to quit in 3 months, I think it makes the perfect sense to not accept it. Do the right thing. Don’t burn the bridge just because you are calling it quit in 3 months. That’s what I’d do. 🙂
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018I agree, I just couldn’t accept it in good conscience. Especially knowing I’d be gone so soon. It just didn’t feel right. Fortunately, for now anyway, it has worked out, so we’ll see how much longer they let me keep working. 🙂 Fingers crossed!
Mrs. COD
May 14, 2018Whew! Congrats on the promotion offer and getting those awkward “I’m leaving” convos out of the way! Love your integrity in this situation and your recognition that we really don’t know too much of our future. It’s great you’re moving into your big FFLC so soon–yikes! This stuff’s getting real!
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Thanks! It’s getting real indeed! Our house is on the market, we’re closing on a house up there in mid-June, and I’ve been meeting with movers to get estimates, fence people to get that set up at the new house, all that fun stuff. 🙂
I don’t know how life will turn out in the future, but I do know it won’t be how I’m imaginging it right now. 🙂
DGuy
May 14, 2018Congrats on the promotion and glad the conversations with your superiors worked out well. As I was halfway through reading your piece, I kept thinking that you needed to take the high road and not accept the position. Glad you made the decision you did. Your story made me think of the importance of having a Plan B as although you thought you knew when your notice date would be, not everything could be in your control!
–DGuy
Mr. SSC
May 15, 2018Yeah, that is definitely NOT how I would’ve liked to give notice, lol. I just couldn’t take that promotion knowing I’d be gone and they’d be ina worse spot in 3 months. Win or lose, I had to tell them but man what a struggle. Like I said, I’d been planning on telling them, just not this soon, and with that much lead time. If it works out and I get to work my last days, great. If they let me go sooner, well I still feel good about the decision I made so I’m still fine with it.
Having a Plan B, or C, or even D is always a good option, because things don’t always work out according to plan.
Ms. Fiology
May 17, 2018Wow, quite a story! It is a great compliment that they offered you the promotion and, in my opinion, an even greater reflection of who you are that you declined it based on your reality in 3 months. Way to go!