Starting Over, Again…
If you read my last post, you’ll know that things are changing pretty significantly around here. One of the biggest changes is also the one I’m worried about the most. That is the fact that I’m handling my own finances again… Yes, yes, for the last 11 yrs or so, I’ve deferred to Mrs. SSC as the CFO (Chief Financial Officer) of our household. Okay, she actually took control and I more than happily threw it to her, once she saw what a mess my finances were in.
Back then, I had about $16k in credit card debt, $64k in student loans, and no assets minus a Ford explorer with over 100k miles on it and some random guns. I was crushing it at life! I was more than happy to let someone else deal with finances. Back then I didn’t care about finances. Clearly… Here’s what has changed since then and why going forward I’m hoping to do a LOT better.
Worst PF Blogger Ever…
First of all, I have to start to practice what I’ve been preaching. While “we” have been tracking our spending for years, in truth, I tracked nothing. I’m just the face/voice of the blog since I’m more social and outgoing than Mrs. SSC. I feel like I’ve said this the whole time, but to reiterate, I did nothing but contribute cash to this whole FFLC (Fully Funded Lifestyle Change) concept. Ok, I contributed more than money, but not much more. For instance, last week I found out our 6 and 8 yo already have a $9k “car savings” account… yep… I’m so in touch with our savings, lol. This sort of stealth saving is what got us positioned so nicely to let me quit work back in 2018.
What this didn’t do was build good spending habits these last 11 yrs. We defaulted to “allowances” early on as a way to separate discretionary funds and staple funds and a great way to avoid arguments. By using “allowances” I didn’t have to justify spending $200 at the Homebrew store, it just came from my allowance. The general rule was, “if it only benefits you, use the allowance”. However, later on it morphed into clothes, any restaurant, and loads of other things but the idea was solid.
That helped me then, but I still over spent my allowance fairly often and even this last year I think it ran chronically overspent. Oopsies!
Beyond sticking to that and entrusting Mrs. SSC with all of our money, I didn’t do much else. Now I have to find a good tracking program for me, or maybe just pen and paper, and implement it.
I Still Have an Allowance?
So, should I use that allowance system and just give myself X amt of money to “frivolously waste” or rather use as “discretionary funds” each month or should I just track my spending well?
But… so what if I track spending if I’m still spending a lot on discretionary items and not reigning in my spending? I need to figure out not just a tracking system, but also a spending-limiting system for myself too. Lol But seriously… I love spending money. I’m kinda worried about it, to be honest.
I’ve never found a tracking or spend limiting system that worked well for me, BUT I also haven’t tried to implement one since I gave a crap about my money. Funny how that works. Maybe the allowance might work ok in the beginning, but I think I just need to figure out Jay’s new money system. And then write abook about it and title it, “I Can Money Good Now and You Can Too!” or some other half legible title.
Spending Mindset
I recently read about kakeibo, pronounced”kah-keh-boh”, that is a Japanese spending Mindset that is similar to our version of “is this a want or a need?” While using that mantra helped break our wanton spending and my constant drive to “stimulate the economy” it might not be enough for me solo. This is where I think kakeibo may help me more than our old mantra.
It starts by asking more than just, “is this a want or need” it goes beyond and dives deep into the “why” and emotions behind the purchase. For me, this strikes the nail on the head. I realized way back, that I had an Amazon problem and online shopping was another way to feel a “little rush” and get some “retail therapy” without using drugs. I’d buy things and feel that little rush but when it showed up I was like, meh, and tossed things aside. I didn’t want the thing, I wanted that rush from buying it. Not. Good… Not good at all…
So how does the kakeibo method differ? Well it starts with recording purchases on pen and paper, something a friend already teases me about using for grocery lists. Similar to bullet journaling, you keep a written ledger of your purchases. In fact, kakeibo translated means “household financial ledger”, and is just that. A simple written ledger of purchases coupled with questions that help you understand your relationship with money, not just track it.
The Kakeibo Concept
It’s a pretty simple concept, where before you make a purchase, you ask yourself these questions. See? Similar to our “want vs need” question. It seems like a lot of questions, but remembering them is easy. Especially the ones you connect with easily, which for me is #2, #5, #6, and #7.
- Can I live without this item?
- Based on my financial situation, can I afford it?
- Will I actually use it?
- Do I have the space for it?
- How did I come across it in the first place? (Did I see it in a magazine? Did I come across it after wandering into a gift shop out of boredom?)
- What is my emotional state in general today? (Calm? Stressed? Celebratory? Feeling bad about myself?)
- How do I feel about buying it? (Happy? Excited? Indifferent? And how long will this feeling last?)
Whoa!! For me, these questions hit spot on and I connected with them immediately. Especially, the last 3 questions.
5. How did I come across this item, meaning to me, is this an impulse buy or is this a researched buy?
6. What is my emotional state today, meaning to me, when I get bored, depressed, sad, lonely, anxious, I look to spending as a way to get a boost, rush, and just plain feel better, even if for a moment. Which is not healthy, so if I monitor my mood, maybe I can cut that out. If changing my internet shopping habits showed me anything, it’s that this will be difficult. Yikes!
7. How do I feel about buying it, meaning to me, is this just a quick rush to alleviate my current mood? Do I really, really, want this (i.e. a planer, jointer, or lathe) or is this just a passing fancy that won’t last long?
To me these were the best questions from the lot. The rest I already ask myself, although question #2, can I afford this? and question #4, do I have the space for it? are front and foremost these days, lol.
By figuring out my feelings associated with frivolous purchases, I think it will help me figure out how to develop good money habits than my current ones. It’ll be quite a journey and I know I’ll struggle and fail. I’ll definitely fail at times. But, thankfully, you’re here to keep me accountable and I’ll keep writing about it because, well that’s just what I do. 🤣
Then and Now
The biggest difference between Old Jay and, um, Jay, is that I have years of reading and writing about various personal finance topics like spending, spending tracking, saving (not gonna happen) and more. So the knowledge is there, and more discipline is there than existed when I last ran my own finances.
My priorities are different as well. Back then, I didn’t have kids, I didn’t have savings (well, maybe $1-2k), and my goal was to be financially comfortable, meaning hit a point where I don’t worry about money and spending. Now, my priorities are not eating into my savings, checking expense costs on my investments, and figuring out an income stream to create with part of those investments.
Maybe it won’t be as scary or as difficult as I think it could be. I also know me and know how easy it is for me to overspend, buy needless things, and not be disciplined financially. Like I said, we’ll see how it goes and you’ll have a front row seat.
Summary
What things are you trying this year that you haven’t thought about in a while? Anything big like relearning how to “finance?” Maybe I should title my book, “I learned to Adult at 42, and You Can Too!”
Kate
January 14, 2020I read an article about kakeibo as well (probably the same one you did) and I like that message. Sort of a financial Konmari method that avoids overspending. I’m sorry about all the crap you’re going through, but glad you’re more prepared to handle the financial stuff than before!
Mr SSC
January 21, 2020Hahaha, yeah probably the same article. What struck me was tying it into emotions, because for me, that’s my trigger. I’m bored, let’s go shop. I’m bored, I’ll go browse shopping online. I’m anxious, maybe buying something will calm me down…
You know, those sorts of thoughts.
I’m definitely in a better spending/saving mindset than before, BUT I also know me. So, I need to find ways to take even an extra pause, thought about something, be present BEFORE the purchase, and maybe skip said purchase. Ugh, adulting… lol
Hildegard
January 14, 2020Have you considered that your chronic depression was feeding the spending? Perhaps with dealing with the core issues, the finances will fall in line easier than you think.
Mr SSC
January 21, 2020I don’t think it helped. Even before I became clinically depressed I have been more of a spender than a saver. EXCEPT! My family was SO bad with finances, even me being a “PF spender” made me a “good budgeter and saver” in the eyes of my family. No shit, they were like, “Just take out student loans, that’s fine! You’ll pay it off in no time.” And other sage advice, lol.
I do know that I spotted my retail therapy spending during that first year or 2 of the depression, so it might have ramped it up. Oh, and going from living off $45k/yr by myself to having two 6-figure oil salaries coming in was also pretty, pretty, sweet! It was THE FIRST time in my life I didn’t stress or worry about money or spending. And I became an Amazon addict, lol. Not really, but one night I did end up purchasing all the Richard Pryor albums I could find (one of my all-time favorite comedians), a handful of books about him, and something else, oh yes, an actual record showed up because, clearly I was paying that much attention to “buy now”. So, while the depression didn’t help, neither did getting a fat salary around then, and trying to figure out “how to money” with a new income level.
I’m hoping it comes around easier this time. At least I’m starting out vigilant.
Lee
January 14, 2020I like the titles of your hypothetical books, like “I Can Money Good,” hahaha. I feel like you are the exact type of person that would benefit from the You Need A Budget system/product/whatever that is. It’s all over the PF blogosphere and people love it, right? It would tell you what your allowance is, at least. No doubt you’ll get the hang of things quick once you and Mrs SSC firm up all the asset splitting, etc. Probably good and therapeutic for you to keep blogging about all this– will force you to think and process all this stuff.
Itay
January 14, 2020I was thinking the same thing as I read your post. YNAB saved my financial butt. In my marriage, I’m the one who took on all the financial stuff. But I still had a deep aversion to budgeting until I dove into the YNAB classes and podcasts and everything (my mom used to memorize prices at the grocery stores so she knew where to buy what, but she rocked it financially).
I like how they frame things, how it’s helped me get a handle and prepare for those irregular expenses (new tires, remodel, etc) because I was always doing the “there’s money in the bank, let’s spend it!” dance… YNAB can handle allowances and help us save up for a specific thing, even if that thing is silly. And I feel like they do a great job of being an “education company that happens to sell software” because every time I have a question, their support is super into making sure I understand everything.
I know I sound like a commercial, but there are few companies these days that have really made such an impact on my and so many others’ lives that really care… And if you prefer paper, he started off using paper, and a lot of his methods would translate. Take a free class and check it out.
Sorry you’re going thru all this at once. I know it can’t be easy. Let us know if we can help. Your audience cares!
Myk Deans
January 14, 2020We used to use YNAB and it helped us get a handle on our spending in retirement after years out of practice. However, when they went web-based and wanted $85/month we ditched them and I wrote a budgeting/spending app in Excel. It does about 80% of what YNAB did for us, and it was a fun programming challenge because I’m just that sort of tech geek.
If anyone wants the spreadsheet they’re quite welcome to it.
Mr SSC
January 21, 2020lol, while I can’t “grammar good”, I can money good! Like I told my therapist today, “I’m an amazing spender!” bwahahaha
I’ve spent some time perusing YNAB, and thanks for the suggestion. I don’t know that it will fit for me, but maybe I’ll try it for a month and see. I feel like I might get into it and then just let it zombify and cost money in the background. Boo… But yes, it may be good at letting me see what the hell I’m actually spending each month, what my new bills are, and work out a budgeting sort of system to let me know what, if any, money is free at the end of the month. Based on projected monthly earnings of *checks Mint – $1031k after tax, and whatever days I sub, yep, that’s it! oh wait, I get a quarterly dividend check from Oxy for ~$160. Rolling in the bling, baby! yeah!! lol
That’s the bigger worry for me currently is figuring out what the heck my monthly income needs to cover. Then go find one that covers that, and hopefully also pays a little more so i can have an allowance. lol
And yeah, blogging about all of this is making me take stock, be present, embrace the suck, if you will, and figure out a plan for each of these annoyances that pop up. Damn adulting… lol
JayP
January 14, 2020Another Jay here! I think its common in a couple for one person to handle all the finances, at least it is with us. In my household I doubt my wife even knows what our mortgage payment is or who its with. Couples should probably work more together on it theoretically – but it has never been that way with us. There are many things she handles that I haven’t a clue about.
Mr SSC
January 21, 2020Hey, Another Jay! But I go by J, not Jay. It’s shorter but I hate when I hear the “ay” and I’m like, but it’s “Just J!!” lol
I can guarantee that I’d have a 50/50 chance of getting within $100 of our current mortgage. I’m sure I knew it at one point, but that’s not my domain, so why clutter up my brain with useless stuff? I only knew our TX mortgage because we did monthly updates and ALL the non-kid bloggers would lose their minds when our daycare was ~$100-$200 more than our current mortgage. So, around $2k/month? lol.
In theory, they should work more together, or at least have an “Oh Shit, our CFO Died” folder, but it was WAY more efficient with me staying out of it. I guarantee it. FYI, maybe you should start a “Oh Shit, I died” folder. We at least had one for our in-laws in case we both died, with accounts, and locations, etc… Also, it was if I ended up solo. It would be a better start than trying to figure out where stuff is located when they start mailing past due notices, lol.
Tracy
October 12, 2022Thanks for sharing the kakeibo concept! I’ve read a lot about minimalism and buying/spending less, but this list of questions really resonated with me. It definitely takes things to a deeper more self-reflective place than the simpler, ‘is it a want or a need?’
Done by Forty
January 14, 2020I can see that being a rough transition. Couples end up coming up with a system that works for them, dividing the labor, etc. Then you have to come up with new systems that work for you, all while dealing with the emotional issues inherent with a separation.
Best of luck, friend. That offer of a game is still out there. We play all the time if you need a little distraction.
Mr SSC
January 21, 2020Hey, thanks for the game offer, and I WILL take you up on that. These first 2 weeks of school have been a bit rough as I’m having to edit every single slide that I was given. OWG’s love cramming as much stuff onto a slide as possible. Also, not using text formatting and just adding new text boxes as needed is an amazingly efficient shortcut to building slides (it isn’t if you EVER have to edit them). And then yeah, the emotions of all of this stuff along with figuring stuff out and then trying to figure out how to adult again, and also make friends, or new friends as most of mine are married with kids and live in the country…
So, the spending limiting was a great place to start. Knowing I love spending money helps, so hopefully that system is going well now (it is. mostly). Tomorrow I’ve got a post about how I’ve been dealing with EVERYTHING going on. Money, worries, time management, all of it. This has been helpful to work on myself, have the time available to do that and start knocking out all of these distractions so I can return focus on moving my life forward positively. I’ll DM you with follow-up about the game and thanks again for the invite.
Revanche @ A Gai Shan Life
January 21, 2020Oh boy, yeah, you definitely need to figure out the system that works best for new you! It’s a good thing you’re thinking about this proactively now instead of letting it get you first. Can you think of anything that gives you a similar rush to spending money?
This year I’m fighting with a weird apathy about work that makes me want to be anywhere, doing ANYTHING, but this. Mostly I want to just be tucked up in bed watching Togo over and over but then aside from that, I don’t want to be doing anything at all. Maybe cleaning. Maybe cooking. Maybe eating. But definitely not work. I suspect this restlessness might could be my depression rearing its head because it comes with frustration and an easily triggered temper and that’s not awesome but I’m doing my best to kick my own butt.
Mr SSC
January 21, 2020Yeah, my thoughts exactly! What system can I use BEFORE I end up like old me. While my mindset is different now, it’s still kinda the same habits and stuff. Hmmm, things that give me a rush like spending… Hmmm… Cocaine? lol Kidding, I would already be dead or in recovery if that were the case. Nothing I can think of really, or that I can think of that I have access to. Like getting out to the mtns, when I lived in Denver was always soul recharging for me and it just cost me gas and time. Now they’re 10+ hrs away, so… nope. But, I have found that focusing on a woodworking project, whether carving, or building quiets my mind so maybe it’s the “anti-rush” I need to not spend out of boredom. That’s what I liked about the kakeibo method was asking “why do I want this? Where did I come across it, and what is my mood like?” Those questions to old me would be answered like, ” Because I want it… Here, just now. Annoyed I’m answering these questions!” And purchase! lol
Now, I’m like, I didn’t know this existed before I walked in here, I can leave without it. Or, I’m just restless and wandering a store because it’s raining, not to buy anything. I don’t have to buy something JUST to be here. Also, I’ve regained my ability to “shop” and not buy. I love shopping, but it’s the spending that gets me. Fortunately, I also like to just wander and “shop” without actually buying anything. Maybe my version of methadone, where I get the retail therapy, I just don’t put out the cash to take that item home. So, yeah, shopping would be the closest to that rush, because I can get those feelings just looking at something and imagining if I had it, then that feeling goes away and I can walk on, and haven’t spent money. Sad. What a sad, sad statement that is…
Revanche @ A Gai Shan Life
January 29, 2020That’s not sad, that’s why window shopping is a thing! Also, I love reading the blogs of luxury bloggers and ogling their first class travel and beautiful purses and clothes and things that look amazing but have absolutely no place in my life, so I get the rush of admiring pretties but not envy because with a kid and two dogs nothing that can’t be machine washed is allowed in my closet. I enjoy Luxe Strategist’s shopping posts for the same reason – she has a totally different style and level of luxury which don’t fit me but I can admire the process of shopping without having to bring the thing home.
Mr SSC
January 21, 2020I realized I hit reply and ahdn’t even talked about your stuff. ugh.. Rude, Jay. Rude… Tomorrow, I have a post coming out that may help. It’s what I’ve been doing when I’m stuck, restless, anxious, have lots of worries, etc… Bascially, I pick my biggest one and write it down, then write what emotions are associated with it, similar to the kakeibo, but it doesn’t have to be about spending. Then I look at those emotions and that situation and It ry to pick one way i can make it just a little better. If I can fix it, awesome, but most of the time, it’s “un-fixable” hence the constant worry. So, I try to just make it a little bit better in any way possible. When I figure out how I can do that, I implement said plan, and then move to the next biggest worry.
For me, it’s helped a lot because it also asks the “why” behind the worry or suckiness and then i can work with that. When it’s just a nubulous restless, vague irritability, sort of thing, that can’t even be addressed by me at that state. So, I have to focus, be present, embrace the suck, and figure out what emotions it’s triggering. Then do what I can to improve it, if possible, or accept I can’t fix it, and that’s also acceptable, but then i address the needless worry about it and put it away. And move to the next one. Maybe it won’t help you, but if it does, the post tomorrow explains it a little more, just using about 1000 more words, lol. Good luck with your situation. I’ve been restless and apathetic about a LOT lately and it’s a motherf***er to overcome. Don’t kick your butt too much. Remember you also need to give yourself hugs and tell yourself it’s ok to be like that, just not make it the new lifestyle. Embrace it, accept it, work to address it and make it better and move on. Good luck!
Revanche @ A Gai Shan Life
January 29, 2020Aw, thanks for taking the extra time to address this bit too – that was really helpful.